A1 Advanced Grammar 6 min de leitura

Advanced Hypothetical: -ㄴ/은들 (Even If, Though)

Use -ㄴ/은들 to emphasize that even an extreme condition cannot change a fixed, typically negative, outcome.

The Rule in 30 Seconds

  • Expresses 'even if/though' with a focus on futility.
  • The first action or state doesn't change the final outcome.
  • Usually followed by rhetorical questions or negative results.
  • Sounds formal, dramatic, and slightly philosophical.

Quick Reference

Category Condition Conjugation Example
Adjective/Verb Vowel Stem -ㄴ들 바쁜들 (Even if busy)
Adjective/Verb Consonant Stem -은들 많은들 (Even if there's much)
Noun No Batchim -인들 천재인들 (Even if a genius)
Noun Batchim -인들 선생인들 (Even if a teacher)
Past Tense All Stems -았던/었던들 먹었던들 (Even if I had eaten)
ㄹ Irregular Drop ㄹ -ㄴ들 먼들 (Even if it is far)

Exemplos-chave

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아무리 예쁜들 성격이 나쁘면 무슨 소용인가요?

No matter how pretty she is, what use is it if her personality is bad?

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부모인들 자식의 모든 문제를 해결할 수 있겠는가?

Even if they are parents, could they solve all of their child's problems?

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그때 사과를 했던들 결과가 달라졌을까?

Even if I had apologized then, would the result have changed?

🎯

Pair with '아무리'

This grammar almost always loves to hang out with the word '아무리' (no matter how). Using them together makes you sound like a native pro.

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Avoid Commands

Never use this to tell someone what to do. It’s for making statements about facts, not for giving orders or suggestions.

The Rule in 30 Seconds

  • Expresses 'even if/though' with a focus on futility.
  • The first action or state doesn't change the final outcome.
  • Usually followed by rhetorical questions or negative results.
  • Sounds formal, dramatic, and slightly philosophical.

Overview

Imagine you are running a race. You run as fast as a lightning bolt. But the finish line is a hundred miles away. No matter how fast you run, you cannot win. That is the vibe of ㄴ/은들. It is an advanced way to say "even if" or "though." However, it comes with a twist. It implies that the action in the first part of your sentence is basically useless. It won't change the final outcome. You are expressing a sense of futility or making a strong rhetorical point. It sounds a bit fancy and dramatic. Think of it like a movie character sighing during a deep conversation. While it is more common in writing or formal speeches, you will definitely hear it in K-Dramas when things get serious. It is not your everyday grammar for ordering coffee. It is for those big, life-defining "so what?" moments.

How This Grammar Works

This grammar connects two parts of a sentence like a bridge that leads to a dead end. Part A is the "even if" condition. Part B is the "it doesn't matter anyway" result. It emphasizes that no matter how extreme Part A is, Part B is fixed. Usually, Part B is a negative statement or a rhetorical question. You aren't actually asking a question; you are making a point. For example, instead of saying "It doesn't matter if you're rich," you say "Even if you are rich, what is the use if you aren't happy?" This adds a very strong flavor to your speech. It is like adding spicy sauce to a dish. It makes your point very clear and a bit poetic. You are highlighting that the effort or condition in Part A is completely ineffective against the reality of Part B. Use it when you want to sound convincing or perhaps a little cynical.

Formation Pattern

  1. 1For Adjectives: If the stem ends in a vowel, add -ㄴ들. If it ends in a consonant, add -은들. For example, 크다 becomes 큰들.
  2. 2For Verbs (Present): Most verbs follow the same pattern as adjectives. Use -ㄴ들 after vowels and -은들 after consonants. 먹다 becomes 먹은들.
  3. 3For Past Tense: Attach it to the past tense stem as -았던들 or -었던들. This expresses "even if something had happened."
  4. 4For Nouns: Simply attach -인들 directly to the noun. 천재 (genius) becomes 천재인들.
  5. 5Special Case: If the word ends in , drop the first, then add -ㄴ들. So, 멀다 (to be far) becomes 먼들.
  6. 6It is like building with Lego blocks. You just snap the ending onto the stem. The ending itself doesn't change based on politeness. Instead, the final verb at the very end of the whole sentence determines if you are being formal or casual.

When To Use It

Use this when you feel a bit philosophical or cynical. It is perfect for emphasizing a hard truth. Imagine a job interview. You have the best grades in the world, but you have zero experience. You might think, "Even if my grades are high, what use is it without experience?" That is the perfect time for ㄴ/은들. You can also use it to show regret about the past. "Even if I had worked harder, the company would have closed anyway." It is great for debates where you want to dismiss an opponent's point as irrelevant. It shows you have considered their point but find it meaningless. Use it when you want to sound like a wise mentor or a character in a historical drama. It gives your Korean an instant "advanced" upgrade.

When Not To Use It

Do not use this for happy, positive results. This grammar does not like sunshine and rainbows. If the result is "I will succeed anyway," you should stick to the friendlier -아/어도. Also, avoid using it for simple, logical "if" statements. It is too heavy for something like "If I eat, I am full." That would sound like you are writing a tragic poem about lunch. Do not use it if you are giving a command or making a suggestion. You cannot say "Even if it's hot, eat this!" using this pattern. It sounds very weird to native ears. Keep it for situations where the outcome is already decided or beyond your control. Using it for small, trivial things might make you sound unnecessarily dramatic. Unless you want to be the person who sighs dramatically over a dropped ice cream cone, save it for the big stuff.

Common Mistakes

Many people forget the rhetorical question at the end. Without that question or a strong negative follow-up, the sentence feels like it is missing a leg. You can't just stop at the ㄴ/은들 part. Another common mistake is mixing it up with -니까. One provides a reason, while ㄴ/은들 provides a useless condition. If you use the wrong one, your sentence will mean the opposite of what you want. Also, watch out for your batchim! Adding -은들 to a vowel stem like 가다 (making 가은들) sounds very clunky and wrong. It should be 간들. Think of it like a pebble in your shoe; it breaks the flow of your speech. Lastly, don't use it in very casual, light-hearted conversations with friends about what movie to watch. It is a bit too heavy for that.

Contrast With Similar Patterns

The closest cousin is -아/어도. This also means "even if." But -아/어도 is neutral. You can use it when you are determined to do something despite obstacles. ㄴ/은들, on the other hand, is pessimistic. -아/어도 says "I will try anyway," while ㄴ/은들 says "Trying won't matter." Another relative is -더라도. This is used for strong determination or hypothetical "even if." -더라도 is a fighter; it looks toward a challenge. ㄴ/은들 is a philosopher; it looks at the futility. It is the difference between saying "Even if it rains, I'm going" (determination) and "Even if it stops raining, the picnic is already ruined" (futility). Use ㄴ/은들 when you want to emphasize that the ship has already sailed.

Quick FAQ

Q. Does this make me sound like an old person?

A. Maybe a little bit! It is very sophisticated, so it sounds like someone who has seen a lot of life.

Q. Can I use it in a text message?

A. Sure, if you are being dramatic or talking about something serious. But for "Where are you?", definitely not.

Q. Is the past tense common?

A. Yes, especially when expressing "Even if I had..." regrets. It is very common in emotional movie scenes.

Q. Can I use it with 좋다?

A. Yes! 좋은들 means "Even if it is good... (it doesn't matter)."

Q. What is the most common ending for these sentences?

A. Usually something like ~무슨 소용인가? (What use is it?) or ~어찌하겠는가? (What can be done?).

Reference Table

Category Condition Conjugation Example
Adjective/Verb Vowel Stem -ㄴ들 바쁜들 (Even if busy)
Adjective/Verb Consonant Stem -은들 많은들 (Even if there's much)
Noun No Batchim -인들 천재인들 (Even if a genius)
Noun Batchim -인들 선생인들 (Even if a teacher)
Past Tense All Stems -았던/었던들 먹었던들 (Even if I had eaten)
ㄹ Irregular Drop ㄹ -ㄴ들 먼들 (Even if it is far)
🎯

Pair with '아무리'

This grammar almost always loves to hang out with the word '아무리' (no matter how). Using them together makes you sound like a native pro.

⚠️

Avoid Commands

Never use this to tell someone what to do. It’s for making statements about facts, not for giving orders or suggestions.

💡

Think 'Rhetorical'

Always imagine a question mark at the end of your thought. Even if you don't use one, the feeling of 'So what?' should be there.

💬

Ballad Lyrics

If you listen to sad Korean ballads, you'll hear this a lot. It’s the ultimate 'even if I love you, we can't be together' grammar.

Exemplos

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#1 Basic Usage

아무리 예쁜들 성격이 나쁘면 무슨 소용인가요?

Focus: 예쁜들

No matter how pretty she is, what use is it if her personality is bad?

Uses a rhetorical question to show beauty doesn't fix a bad personality.

#2 Noun Usage

부모인들 자식의 모든 문제를 해결할 수 있겠는가?

Focus: 부모인들

Even if they are parents, could they solve all of their child's problems?

Highlights the limitations of being a parent in a dramatic way.

#3 Edge Case (Past Regret)

그때 사과를 했던들 결과가 달라졌을까?

Focus: 했던들

Even if I had apologized then, would the result have changed?

Used to reflect on a past that cannot be changed.

#4 Formal Context

지식이 많은들 실천하지 않으면 아무 의미가 없습니다.

Focus: 많은들

Even if you have much knowledge, it is meaningless if you do not practice it.

Common in speeches or educational contexts.

#5 Wrong Usage Corrected

비가 온들 우산을 가져가세요. → ✓ 비가 오니까 우산을 가져가세요.

Focus: 비가 온들

✗ Even if it rains, take an umbrella. → ✓ Since it's raining, take an umbrella.

-ㄴ/은들 cannot be used for simple suggestions or commands.

#6 Wrong Usage Corrected

✗ 열심히 공부한들 합격했어요. → ✓ 열심히 공부해서 합격했어요.

Focus: 공부한들

✗ Even if I studied hard, I passed. → ✓ I studied hard, so I passed.

-ㄴ/은들 implies the result is negative or didn't matter; passing is positive.

#7 Advanced Drama Style

억만금의 돈이 있은들 죽으면 그만인 것을.

Focus: 있은들

Even if one has millions of dollars, it is all over once they die.

Very poetic and cynical, common in literature.

#8 ㄹ Irregular

세상이 변한들 내 마음은 변하지 않으리.

Focus: 변한들

Even if the world changes, my heart shall not change.

Matches the poetic tone of the grammar point.

Teste-se

Choose the correct form to complete the sentence expressing futility.

아무리 후회한들 이미 기차는 ___. (No matter how much you regret, the train has already left.)

✓ Correto! ✗ Quase. Resposta certa: 떠났다

The second part usually confirms a fixed negative reality or asks a rhetorical question. '떠났다' states the reality.

Select the appropriate conjugation for the noun '천재' (genius).

___ 혼자서 이 일을 다 할 수는 없다. (Even a genius cannot do all this work alone.)

✓ Correto! ✗ Quase. Resposta certa: 천재인들

For nouns, we attach '-인들' regardless of whether there is a batchim or not.

Complete the sentence with the correct 'even if' form for a verb with a batchim.

돈을 많이 ___ 마음이 가난하면 행복할 수 없다. (Even if you earn a lot of money, you can't be happy if your heart is poor.)

✓ Correto! ✗ Quase. Resposta certa: 벌은들

For the verb '벌다' (to earn), the ㄹ drops, but since it functions as a consonant stem in this specific archaic/literary logic, '벌은들' or '번들' are used. '벌은들' is the most standard literary form here.

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Recursos visuais

-아/어도 vs -ㄴ/은들

-아/어도 (Neutral)
비가 와도 가요 I'm going even if it rains.
Focus: Persistence Determination
-ㄴ/은들 (Rhetorical)
비가 온들 가겠나? Even if it rains, would I go?
Focus: Futility Fixed outcome

How to Conjugate -ㄴ/은들

1

Is it a Noun?

YES ↓
NO
Go to Verb/Adj
2

Add -인들

YES ↓
NO
Success
3

Verb/Adj: Ending in Vowel?

YES ↓
NO
Add -ㄴ들

Typical Contexts for -ㄴ/은들

😭

Deep Regret

  • Past mistakes
  • Missed chances
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Philosophical

  • Meaning of life
  • Money vs Happiness
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Cynical/Cold

  • Dismissing efforts
  • Hard realities

Perguntas frequentes

20 perguntas

Not really. It is quite formal and dramatic. You'll mostly find it in literature, song lyrics, or serious speeches.

No, it is almost exclusively for negative or futile results. Use -아/어도 if the outcome is positive or neutral.

It means 'even if it is [noun].' For example, 신인들 means 'even if it were a god.' It highlights that the identity doesn't change the outcome.

Yes. -더라도 is used when you are willing to do something despite a condition. -ㄴ/은들 suggests that doing something won't matter anyway.

It's usually used for general truths or the past. For future 'even if,' -더라도 or -아/어도 are much more common.

The question is rhetorical. It's used to emphasize that there is no positive answer or use for the situation.

Yes, you can. For example, 가지 않은들 (even if I didn't go). But usually, the negativity is in the second part of the sentence.

Only if you are being jokingly dramatic. Otherwise, it sounds a bit too heavy and serious for a casual hangout.

It becomes 있은들. For example, 돈이 있은들 (even if you have money).

Yes, it is frequently tested in the Advanced (Level 5-6) TOPIK II exam. It's a key marker of high-level proficiency.

In very old or poetic Korean, it sometimes appears in different forms, but for modern learners, -ㄴ/은들 is the standard form to learn.

Yes, it becomes 어려운들. 'Even if it is difficult, (it changes nothing).'

Sometimes! It can sound like someone is being very pessimistic or dismissive of someone else's effort.

No, but it's the most common. You can also use ~겠는가?, ~리요?, or simply a negative statement like ~의미가 없다.

No, it's not for causes or reasons. It's for conditional situations that are deemed ineffective.

It depends on the batchim. -ㄴ들 follows vowels, and -은들 follows consonants. It's all about making it easier to pronounce!

Yes, it becomes 인들. It's used just like the noun version. 친구인들 (even if it's a friend).

Yes, it becomes 안들. Since it has a batchim, you drop the and add -ㄴ들.

Very often! Characters in Sageuks love using this to sound more educated or to express deep tragedy.

Think of the 'd' in '들' standing for 'Dramatic.' It’s the dramatic 'even if'!

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